First hand photo's of Gulf oil rig...

[Talismen]

Very few species that were native to the gulf before man was on this earth are still there. So,...Why isn't there an outcry about that? Because species are continually changing and evolving. As God intended.

[PunkMaister]

Very few species that were native to the gulf before man was on this earth are still there. So,...Why isn't there an outcry about that? Because species are continually changing and evolving. As God intended.

Talismen God most certainly did not intend this oil spill and it's effects any more than it did the extinction of the Dodo and the Thylacine those were and are man made events. There is no going back from extinction once a species is gone is gone forever, are you telling me we should not give a horse's arse if just about everything that lives in the gulf dies out? Granted the gulf won't be a toxic sludge but it will be empty. Is that the kind of world you dream off? Because is certainly not the kind of world I'd like. 

[Talismen]

Talismen God most certainly did not intend this oil spill and it's effects any more than it did the extinction of the Dodo and the Thylacine those were and are man made events.

What I'm saying is that God created this earth to deal with much harsher things than man can do to it, outside of full-scale world-wide nuclear war...And even then, I think it would eventually recover.

There is no going back from extinction once a species is gone is gone forever, are you telling me we should not give a horse's arse if just about everything that lives in the gulf dies out?

No.

I'm saying stop believing the bullshit. You're a smart man, do your research and stop buying into the hype. Things aren't good, at present. That is for sure. But, not everything in the gulf is going to die away, and some things may come back better and stronger.

Granted the gulf won't be a toxic sludge but it will be empty. Is that the kind of world you dream off? Because is certainly not the kind of world I'd like. 

The gulf will not be empty.
Don't be an alarmist.

Go look up Prince William Sound and tell me if that area is "empty" or if everything is "gone.
If you find links, post them.

[Talismen]

Amazing what an "empty" Prince William Sound looks like, huh?

http://princewilliamsoundcruises.com/wildlife.html


This guy wouldn't have a job if it were "empty".

http://soundecoadventure.com/

[The Gate Keeper]

I live in Florida and I know that nature in time will take care of the oil spilled from this rig...I know it will take time but it will be done...as evidence of nature taking care of human disaters look to what happened in Chernobyl...

http://www.ans.org/pi/resources/sptopics/chernobyl/

On April 26, 1986, an accident occurred at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant near Kiev in the Ukrainian Republic of the Former Soviet Union.  With the release of radiation, human casualties, physical damage to the plant and contamination of the surrounding environment, Chernobyl marked the worst accident in the history of nuclear power production.

Chernobyl Today and in the Future

The reactor and building were initially enclosed in a Sarcophagas to prevent further spread of radioactive material over the years, after the initial smothering in material dropped from helicopters.  It was only intended as a temporary measure.  A building designed to last 100 years will be built with international funding and participation; scheduled to be done by 2008.

An area of 30km size around the plant is still quarantined, but outside of that the area initially evacuated has radioactivity levels that have decreased to safe values through natural processes.  Certain types of food grown in areas that were contaminated are still monitored and restricted from sale in other areas.

The restoration of the area around the plants will go on for many years.  Eventually the reactor and building will be removed and disposed of in a geologically safe area.

National Geographic magazine has done several articles, with pictures, over the years.  Search their website for Chernobyl.  The April 2006 issue has an article with a good drawing of the new

[Talismen]

Now THAT is amazing! I remember when that happened, and the same thing that folks are sayin' now, was said back then..."oh it will never get better!".

[The Gate Keeper]

I was in Germany when that happened, it scared the living daylights out of me....but I am amazed at the change and according to all of the "EXPERTS" in such a short time for this type of incident. That's why I am concerned about the oil spill but not paniced over it. It will eventually be cleared up....

[The Gate Keeper]

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-crude-mother-nature-breaks-slick/story?id=11254252

BP Oil Spill: Clean-Up Crews Can't Find Crude in the Gulf
As Size of Slick Shrinks, Experts Say Oil is Breaking Up, Staying Below Surface



For 86 days, oil spewed into the Gulf of Mexico from BP's damaged well, dumping some 200 million gallons of crude into sensitive ecosystems. BP and the federal government have amassed an army to clean the oil up, but there's one problem -- they're having trouble finding it.

The leak is capped and the spill appears to be shrinking, but where is it going?

At its peak last month, the oil slick was the size of Kansas, but it has been rapidly shrinking, now down to the size of New Hampshire.

Today, ABC News surveyed a marsh area and found none, and even on a flight out to the rig site Sunday with the Coast Guard, there was no oil to be seen.

"That oil is somewhere. It didn't just disappear," said Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser.

Salvador Cepriano is one of the men searching for crude. Cepriano, a shrimper, has been laying out boom with his boat, but he's found that there's no oil to catch.

"I think it is underneath the water. It's in between the bottom and the top of the water," Cepriano said.

Even the federal government admits that locating the oil has become a problem.

"It is becoming a very elusive bunch of oil for us to find," said National Incident Cmdr. Thad Allen.

Skimmers Pick Up Less Oil

The numbers don't lie: two weeks ago, skimmers picked up about 25,000 barrels of oily water. Last Thursday, they gathered just 200 barrels.

Still, it doesn't mean that all the oil that gushed for weeks is gone. Thousands of small oil patches remain below the surface, but experts say an astonishing amount has disappeared, reabsorbed into the environment.

"[It's] mother nature doing her job," said Ed Overton, a professor of environmental studies at Louisiana State University.

The light crude began to deteriorate the moment it escaped at high pressure, and then it was zapped with dispersants to speed the process along. The oil that did make it to the ocean's surface was broken up by 88-degree water, baked by 100-degree sun, eaten by microbes, and whipped apart by wind and waves.

Experts stress that even though there's less and less oil as time goes on, there's still plenty around the spill site. And in the long term, no one knows what the impact of those hundreds of millions of gallons will be, deep in the waters of the Gulf of Mexico.

[Talismen]

 

[PunkMaister]

More than 5 of the animals pictured there are on the extremely endangered species list many biologists don't expect to last more than 2 or 3 decades more. This off course could be avoided with breeding programs and even cloning if need be. And things are real, real bad now because the government is not interested in taking steps to safeguard and protect the Gulf of Mexico delicate Ecosystems and instead they want the spill to cause as much damage as possible to use it as their anti oil slogan.By the way species like Herring never bounced back from the Valdez spill in Prince William sound either something one of the very articles you linked here attest. What scares me is the lack of action from the government and it's potential fallout for generations to come.

experts stress that even though there's less and less oil as time goes on, there's still plenty around the spill site. And in the long term, no one knows what the impact of those hundreds of millions of gallons will be, deep in the waters of the Gulf of Mexico.

indeed...

[Talismen]

From Drudge:

NYT: Appears to be dissolving 'far more rapidly than anyone expected'... Developing...

The earth is doing what it's supposed to do.


PS - Herring are quite fruitful, and can be found in other parts of the world, even parts near PWS. The industry is humming along just fine.

[PunkMaister]

There are different species of herring obviously the one I'm referring to is native to the area of Prince William sound and cannot be found elsewhere, otherwise why even bring attention to it?

See that's the problem as I said right now there are 2 extreme views on this those that say the sky is falling which is obviously not true and those that say that everything is peaches and creams and there is nothing to worry about. I'm in neither camp I do know that if measures are not taken whole native species of the gulf of Mexico could go the way of the Dodo bird of that there is absolutely no question.

Oh and by measures I don't mean the Anti Oil campaign the libtards have started while leaving the gulf to suffer as much damage as possible to use as leverage for said campaign. I've stated time and time again that since nature already has means to deal with oil one very practical solution would be to boost those means like boosting the oil eating bacteria's capability to consume oil. We have no idea what the Chemical dispersants used in the Gulf will do but it probably won't be good at all.

[Talismen]

There are different species of herring obviously the one I'm referring to is native to the area of Prince William sound and cannot be found elsewhere, otherwise why even bring attention to it?

Ok...Show me the world demand, pre-Exxon Valdez, of PWS herring, and then we'll have some basis from which to continue along this line. Until then, I stand by my statement that the herring industry is humming along just fine.

See that's the problem as I said right now there are 2 extreme views on this those that say the sky is falling which is obviously not true and those that say that everything is peaches and creams and there is nothing to worry about. I'm in neither camp I do know that if measures are not taken whole native species of the gulf of Mexico could go the way of the Dodo bird of that there is absolutely no question.

Actually, I'd be in the middle as well. I worry about the marshlands & I worry about the obama-imposed drilling moratorium that is costing more jobs than anything else. But, beyond that, I also know that this world has survived greater calamities than what man can do to it, thus far.

Oh and by measures I don't mean the Anti Oil campaign the libtards have started while leaving the gulf to suffer as much damage as possible to use as leverage for said campaign. I've stated time and time again that since nature already has means to deal with oil one very practical solution would be to boost those means like boosting the oil eating bacteria's capability to consume oil. We have no idea what the Chemical dispersants used in the Gulf will do but it probably won't be good at all.

How do we know that the microbes aren't already present in plentiful supply in the Gulf?
We don't.

They may be cyclical...changing with the seasons.

[Talismen]

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/304054.php

July 28, 2010
Where Has All The Oil Gone?

Perhaps some good news from the Deepwater Horizon spill...the oil seems to have dispersed on the surface faster than people thought it would.

The dissolution of the slick should reduce the risk of oil killing more animals or hitting shorelines. But it does not end the many problems and scientific uncertainties associated with the spill, and federal leaders emphasized this week that they had no intention of walking away from those problems any time soon.
...

Scientists said the rapid dissipation of the surface oil was probably due to a combination of factors. The gulf has an immense natural capacity to break down oil, which leaks into it at a steady rate from thousands of natural seeps. Though none of the seeps is anywhere near the size of the Deepwater Horizon leak, they do mean that the gulf is swarming with bacteria that can eat oil.

The winds from two storms that blew through the gulf in recent weeks, including a storm over the weekend that disintegrated before making landfall, also appear to have contributed to a rapid dispersion of the oil. Then there was the response mounted by BP and the government, the largest in history, involving more than 4,000 boats attacking the oil with skimming equipment, controlled surface burns and other tactics.

Some of the compounds in the oil evaporate, reducing their impact on the environment. Jeffrey W. Short, a former government scientist who studied oil spills and now works for the environmental advocacy group Oceana, said that as much as 40 percent of the oil in the gulf might have simply evaporated once it reached the surface.

One of the things the story speculates on is that since oil has been leaking naturally into the Gulf more or less forever, there's a pre-existing supply of bacteria in the water which feeds on oil and breaks it up naturally.

While this is clearly good news, there are still concerns about the effect of the oil at depth.

It's almost as if the Earth and it's various ecosystems are large and complex things we don't fully understand. One might think that would lead scientists and policy makers to exercise a degree of humility when it comes to sweeping pronouncements and economy killing edicts of various kinds.




posted by DrewM. at 10:36 AM

(Click the link above to access embedded source links within the piece.)

[PunkMaister]

Well at least here I can still voice my opinion on the subject apparently I've been declared persona non gratta at the Huffinton Post as is no longer allowing me to sign on through Facebook.

[Talismen]

No worries here

We may disagree on this specific issue, but, a decent reasonable debate isn't something people should be afraid of.

[PunkMaister]

No worries here

We may disagree on this specific issue, but, a decent reasonable debate isn't something people should be afraid of.

Anyway this video might better explain the solution I've been trying to tell you:



Oil eating bacteria strategically placed in large enough quantities would have gotten rid of all that oil already as evidenced that it can do it on it's own but at a much slower rate which is not desirable and the use of Chemical dispersants is not desirable either when nature has a perfect solution that we can use and has been used in the past but avoided at all costs here.

One good question that comes in light of this is why did neither BP nor the Government used this technique which would have been faster, cheaper, safer? My guess is BP wanted to use their own chemical dispersant instead and that Obama and his cronies did not allow it because doing so would have then minimized the impact of the spill to the point that they would not have been able to use it to propel their commie agenda.

[Talismen]

Oh I've been talking about that same solution for a few weeks now too. But, from what I'm reading, there's a very good chance that there is quite a number of that bacteria already existing in that Gulf region, due to the nature of the natural seepage of oil in that area.

I think the reason they didn't publically talk about it is because it does take a bit of time, and, as humans, we want things fixed now now now....

[The Gate Keeper]

From the EXTREME Liberal Press TIME in Partnership with CNN......

The BP Spill: Has the Damage Been Exaggerated?By Michael Grunwald / Port Fourchon, La. Thursday, Jul. 29, 2010

President Obama has called the BP oil spill "the worst environmental disaster America has ever faced," and so has just about everyone else. Green groups are sounding alarms about the "Catastrophe Along the Gulf Coast," while CBS, Fox and MSNBC slap "Disaster in the Gulf" chryons on all their spill-related news. Even BP fall guy Tony Hayward, after some early happy talk, admitted the spill was an "environmental catastrophe." The obnoxious anti-environmentalist Rush Limbaugh has been a rare voice arguing that the spill — he calls it "the leak" — is anything less than an ecological calamity, scoffing at the avalanche of end-is-nigh eco-hype.

Well, Rush has a point. The Deepwater explosion was an awful tragedy for the 11 workers who died on the rig, and it's no leak; it's the biggest oil spill in U.S. history. It's also inflicting serious economic and psychological damage on coastal communities that depend on tourism, fishing and drilling. But so far — while it's important to acknowledge that the long-term potential danger is simply unknowable for an underwater event that took place just three months ago — it does not seem to be inflicting severe environmental damage. "The impacts have been much, much less than everyone feared," says geochemist Jacqueline Michel, a federal contractor who is coordinating shoreline assessments in Louisiana. (See pictures of the Gulf oil spill.)

Yes, the spill killed birds — but so far, less than 1% of the birds killed by the Exxon Valdez. Yes, we've heard horror stories about oiled dolphins — but, so far, wildlife response teams have collected only three visibly oiled carcasses of any mammals. Yes, the spill prompted harsh restrictions on fishing and shrimping, but so far, the region's fish and shrimp have tested clean, and the restrictions are gradually being lifted. And, yes, scientists have warned that the oil could accelerate the destruction of Louisiana's disintegrating coastal marshes — a real slow-motion ecological calamity — but, so far, shorelines assessment teams have only found about 350 acres of oiled marshes, when Louisiana was already losing about 15,000 acres of wetlands every year.

The disappearance of more than 2,000 square miles of coastal Louisiana over the last century has been a true national tragedy, ravaging a unique wilderness, threatening the bayou way of life and leaving communities like New Orleans extremely vulnerable to hurricanes from the Gulf. And while much of the erosion has been caused by the re-engineering of the Mississippi River — which no longer deposits much sediment at the bottom of its Delta — quite a bit has been caused by the oil and gas industry, which gouged 8,000 miles of canals and pipelines through coastal wetlands. But the spill isn't making that problem much worse. Coastal scientist Paul Kemp, a former Louisiana State University professor who is now a National Audubon Society vice president, compares the impact of the spill on the vanishing marshes to "a sunburn on a cancer patient."

continued on the link.... http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2007202,00.html

[Covertness]

Rush is right.  It's an oil leak; not an oil spill.  To spill oil you must first have it in a container to spill from.

[PunkMaister]

Oh I've been talking about that same solution for a few weeks now too. But, from what I'm reading, there's a very good chance that there is quite a number of that bacteria already existing in that Gulf region, due to the nature of the natural seepage of oil in that area.

I think the reason they didn't publically talk about it is because it does take a bit of time, and, as humans, we want things fixed now now now....

As it stands seeding oil bacteria would have been both the quickest and safest solution. In just 6 weeks we would have been done with it...

[Talismen]

I think there's some truth to the theory I saw, which suggested that the bacteria thrive and grow in warmer climates. Put that together with the sun constantly beating down on that area (most of the time) and you have a breeding ground for the oil-guzzling microbes!